chmur
04-11 11:50 PM
Historically, 5 years for end-to-end GC process is not considered as catastrophic delay...
There is a good chance that 2005 PD might get approved in 2010 summer , even with current system unless USCIS looses more visa #s. So IV and all of us have to scream at high pitch and frequently so that no more Visa #s are lost. I think it is happening
2003 this summer , 2004 in 09 and 2005 in 2010 is quite possible.
Now if we all contribute more $$$ to IV we can expedite the above time table.
data indicates some movement in approvals for EB3-I in last 3 weeks. sorry IV , unless sorting issue is fixed, rich data is not of much use . Example: sort by PD's does string sorting instead of date sorting .
Cheer up ...it will happen
There is a good chance that 2005 PD might get approved in 2010 summer , even with current system unless USCIS looses more visa #s. So IV and all of us have to scream at high pitch and frequently so that no more Visa #s are lost. I think it is happening
2003 this summer , 2004 in 09 and 2005 in 2010 is quite possible.
Now if we all contribute more $$$ to IV we can expedite the above time table.
data indicates some movement in approvals for EB3-I in last 3 weeks. sorry IV , unless sorting issue is fixed, rich data is not of much use . Example: sort by PD's does string sorting instead of date sorting .
Cheer up ...it will happen
wallpaper BP oil spill,
delhiguy79
07-23 01:20 PM
My I-140 was filed on July 6 and arrives at USCIS on July 9.
The check was cashed on July 12 and I was able to get the receipt number. BUT BY NOW I HAVE NOT RECEIVE THE RECEIPT. It seems many people are in the same boat. What we can do about it?
Anybody knows how many days it would take between they cash the check and mail out the receipt? What address do they use?
Did u get the receipt number on the back of the cheque or did u call USCIS and get it ???
The check was cashed on July 12 and I was able to get the receipt number. BUT BY NOW I HAVE NOT RECEIVE THE RECEIPT. It seems many people are in the same boat. What we can do about it?
Anybody knows how many days it would take between they cash the check and mail out the receipt? What address do they use?
Did u get the receipt number on the back of the cheque or did u call USCIS and get it ???
crystal
09-20 03:36 PM
So your question is regarding the how u become active volunteer or the way IV operates in dealing with the legislation events? I was answering the former.
About the funds .. you know the answer and logiclife videos tells exactly the same. But you said I know nothing about the funds. What exactly you are looking for. Money spend on each event? i think they started doing it. Recently pappu mentioned they need 41k for the rally.. I think we are improving on that front ..
About the funds .. you know the answer and logiclife videos tells exactly the same. But you said I know nothing about the funds. What exactly you are looking for. Money spend on each event? i think they started doing it. Recently pappu mentioned they need 41k for the rally.. I think we are improving on that front ..
2011 Obama on oil spill and BP
kumar1
03-13 04:15 PM
This is a train which sometimes move backwards. It was our decision to take a ride on it.....God bless July-07 fiasco......spouses got work permit.....
EB-3 India is going to be a looooong wait. Lots of EAD renewals, Lots of AP!
EB-3 India is going to be a looooong wait. Lots of EAD renewals, Lots of AP!
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gsc999
09-19 11:01 PM
First of all I think logiclife will go in the history of immigration books as the movers that existed in this generation. I am amazed at how motivated the IV core team is and how smoothly they have organized the whole show so far.
I salute you. Hats off to you guys.
I read a lot of newspaper articles after the rally and they always seemed to mention that Indian and Chinese legal aliens protesting backlogs. I think there should be some effort to also include people from other nationalities such as Russians, Englishmen, Philipinos, Chinese and other nationalities. Now I know they are not hit as hard as us but they go thru some serious backlog as well if they are in the EB3 category.
Question is I am thinking how?
Any ideas guys?
---
Were you at the rally? Two most visible people were Franklin and Mark. Both are non-Indians.
But your point is well taken, let us know if you have any specific strategies to do this?f
I salute you. Hats off to you guys.
I read a lot of newspaper articles after the rally and they always seemed to mention that Indian and Chinese legal aliens protesting backlogs. I think there should be some effort to also include people from other nationalities such as Russians, Englishmen, Philipinos, Chinese and other nationalities. Now I know they are not hit as hard as us but they go thru some serious backlog as well if they are in the EB3 category.
Question is I am thinking how?
Any ideas guys?
---
Were you at the rally? Two most visible people were Franklin and Mark. Both are non-Indians.
But your point is well taken, let us know if you have any specific strategies to do this?f
thepaew
05-30 11:29 AM
Millions of Indians cannot fix the bureaucracy at CGNY - but we expect a counter-worker at AF to bypass the French visa bureaucracy. AF is a crappy airline - but it is not racist. Good Luck.
True, but Airline CAN give some 'guarantee' to get the transit visa for passengers. I flew Singapore Airline, and they arrange transit passenger to take a tour of the city, if the stopover is , i guess, more then 3 or 4 hrs.
So, I don't buy the argument that its not in their hand. If they wanted they could have done it. Period.
When one group right in front of your own eyes gets to stay in a hotel and the other group are left high and dry to loiter in the airport (citing they dont have transit visa), I call it absolutely a kind of Discrimination. I dont give a crap about Transit Visa.
Wow!! you are generalizing here about one community here. So, you mean to say folks from Boston, US are going to runaway in Paris to seek asylum because they dont like the homes and jobs in US????? Yeah!!! Paris is a paradise, and everybody on this planet wants to somehow get there..
True, but Airline CAN give some 'guarantee' to get the transit visa for passengers. I flew Singapore Airline, and they arrange transit passenger to take a tour of the city, if the stopover is , i guess, more then 3 or 4 hrs.
So, I don't buy the argument that its not in their hand. If they wanted they could have done it. Period.
When one group right in front of your own eyes gets to stay in a hotel and the other group are left high and dry to loiter in the airport (citing they dont have transit visa), I call it absolutely a kind of Discrimination. I dont give a crap about Transit Visa.
Wow!! you are generalizing here about one community here. So, you mean to say folks from Boston, US are going to runaway in Paris to seek asylum because they dont like the homes and jobs in US????? Yeah!!! Paris is a paradise, and everybody on this planet wants to somehow get there..
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sanju
09-12 01:00 AM
Still trying to search for online videos for the interview so see the answer of Sen. Obama for the question about EB green cards.
2010 oil spills in history,
pappu
04-28 11:35 AM
Thanks everyone for your contributions. We need support from every IV member to succeed.
If some of you have an innovative contribution idea like the last time. (setting small goals and contributing based on that or giving gifts to people when a target is reached) please go ahead and post your pledges on this thread. This may help the momentum of the funding drive.
If some of you have an innovative contribution idea like the last time. (setting small goals and contributing based on that or giving gifts to people when a target is reached) please go ahead and post your pledges on this thread. This may help the momentum of the funding drive.
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eastindia
05-18 12:37 PM
It was Easy.
Done again today.
I will send one everyday to both Congress people and Reporters
Done again today.
I will send one everyday to both Congress people and Reporters
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Dakota Newfie
03-21 04:16 PM
Not entirely correct. When as you say this country treats all Employment based immigrants equally, why set quotas, why distinguish between EB1, EB2 EB3 etc.
The point is there are rules and they tend to favor certain applicants over others in the queue. More education generally does mean more skill. It does not always mean more pay, but this country has decided to use education and work experience as the criterion for EB category allocation.
How can you say all nations have an equal opportunity to immigrate to the USA. That is patently false and you know it. Now you can defend it and say it is the US right to set its rules the way it wishes, and I can respect that, but to say it is equal opportunity is wrong.
What I have said all along is that EB immigration is to redound to the benefit of US EMPLOYERS not you or me. That is why the rules were skewed so much in their favor. Now, we agree there has been some abuse in this system, by those this system was meant to help, however its purpose remains intact. The rest of the rules are secondary to this intent, but nevertheless important.
The USCIS/DOS set quotas for visa numbers because the United States does not want to be overwhelmed with immigrants. And these quotas are spread evenly through all nations and ethnic backgrounds. Considering the populations of the "oversubscribed" nations, this is justified. I can see where the immigrants from these nations feel "discriminated against" in the fact that they receive a smaller percentage (NOT NUMBER) of visas per capita than ROW countries. This does not make the system unfair. And if you think that certain countries get special treatment, think again; there are plenty of people in ROW (like me) who have been waiting for years as well!
The point is there are rules and they tend to favor certain applicants over others in the queue. More education generally does mean more skill. It does not always mean more pay, but this country has decided to use education and work experience as the criterion for EB category allocation.
How can you say all nations have an equal opportunity to immigrate to the USA. That is patently false and you know it. Now you can defend it and say it is the US right to set its rules the way it wishes, and I can respect that, but to say it is equal opportunity is wrong.
What I have said all along is that EB immigration is to redound to the benefit of US EMPLOYERS not you or me. That is why the rules were skewed so much in their favor. Now, we agree there has been some abuse in this system, by those this system was meant to help, however its purpose remains intact. The rest of the rules are secondary to this intent, but nevertheless important.
The USCIS/DOS set quotas for visa numbers because the United States does not want to be overwhelmed with immigrants. And these quotas are spread evenly through all nations and ethnic backgrounds. Considering the populations of the "oversubscribed" nations, this is justified. I can see where the immigrants from these nations feel "discriminated against" in the fact that they receive a smaller percentage (NOT NUMBER) of visas per capita than ROW countries. This does not make the system unfair. And if you think that certain countries get special treatment, think again; there are plenty of people in ROW (like me) who have been waiting for years as well!
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Neo7
03-12 12:40 AM
parolee (aos)
Thanks kshitijnt.......
After posting my question here I was searching on the net and came across This doc (Topic # 4) (http://www.murthy.com/mb_pdf/mar1904.pdf) which states that......
USCIS is seeking for the current immigration status and not the one we entered on.
The above referenced document is pretty old and I don't know how far it is reliable....any insights?
Thanks kshitijnt.......
After posting my question here I was searching on the net and came across This doc (Topic # 4) (http://www.murthy.com/mb_pdf/mar1904.pdf) which states that......
USCIS is seeking for the current immigration status and not the one we entered on.
The above referenced document is pretty old and I don't know how far it is reliable....any insights?
hot of the recent oil spill is
senthil1
05-31 01:43 PM
Main reasons for restrictions in legal immigration are
1. Organised compaign by anti immigrants with data. They proved that H1b persons were paid 20% below the market rate. There is no defence from orgainised compaign by pro immigrants. Pro immigrants gave the statement that shortage of skilled workers but they were not able to give supporting data. Newspaper stories are not enough
2. Reaching h1b cap in 2 days gave negative picture instead of positive. Mostly consulting companies rushed to get h1b without valid job positions
3. Instead of asking reasonable numbers Corporations and pro immigrants asked exemptions in H1b numbers and green card numbers. They want to make sure that unlimited numbers so that they can hire or fire anyone.
4. Immigrants are suffering by backlogs and they are expressed by IV and Lawyers. But that is not enough to justify immigration. That should be justified with real need for welfare of country
5. Before dot com bust even lot of US citizens welcomed H1b persons as there was not much layoffs. But past 7 years layoffs increased to outsource to India,China and other countries. For that they have to hire H1b and L1 persons from Countries mainly India. Those things made anti immigrants hardened their stand. US workers fear that they may lose job if US opens up immigration too much.
6. Some Indian consulting companies exploited the situation by just hiring H1bs not even trying to recruit US workers even if they available. But some Indian companies like TCS,Infosys started hiring US workers nowadays because of shortage of H1b.
H1b persons are considered as best skilled persons so Companies can afford to pay 5000 or even 10000$. Infact H1b persons should be paid 20% above US workers as they are considered as better than US workers. That is the reason for raising the fees by two thirds of Senators
Microsoft was doing effective compaign. Infact they asked resumes from programmers Guild. If many people do realistic campaign instead of opposing anti immigrants that will be easy to reform immigration
I am sure that the tech lobbyist are going to change the rules applied to the H1-B process, because everyone knows the effect of this to the econoomy. I am totally convinced that the strict H1-B rules will be removed.
I am trying to figure out or want to see how or will these tech companies force or lobby to get EB relief.
How important is EB relief for them?
1) they can't hire brains from US universities.
2) they can't hire those who they think would benefit the company but are stuck with their GC process with some other small consulting firm.
I see STEM with advance degree getting relief, the current backlog will not be benefitted a lot (eg. Real hike in EB visas, Removing the country cap). I am not being a pessimist but, I do not see a light in my path. (May be my comments are wrong)
**** Important Note****
After the State Union Speech given by the President to change the Immigration system, we saw a huge applause by all the law makers. So many individual bills in favor of Skill were introduced. Mr Gates, in front of Senate gave a detailed explaination of our problems, we saw few bills after H1-B quota ran out on the second day of the filing date added to the senate judiciary committee.
Our hopes increased after seeing so many favourable documents and media coverage, but what happened in the end.. Illegals were given a very very very easy path to citizenship after breaking the law.They get a relief which we can never imagine will ever happen to us.
Let us say we get the oppurtunity to file I-485 without PD. Increase in H1-B, Increase in EB visas. But still we have to stick to an employer, can't move up the ladder because of the same Labor description needed to be mainain I-485 if we take AC21.
I cannot digest and will never be able to digest that we are not given the oppurtunity to file our I-485 individually and work for any employer.
1. Organised compaign by anti immigrants with data. They proved that H1b persons were paid 20% below the market rate. There is no defence from orgainised compaign by pro immigrants. Pro immigrants gave the statement that shortage of skilled workers but they were not able to give supporting data. Newspaper stories are not enough
2. Reaching h1b cap in 2 days gave negative picture instead of positive. Mostly consulting companies rushed to get h1b without valid job positions
3. Instead of asking reasonable numbers Corporations and pro immigrants asked exemptions in H1b numbers and green card numbers. They want to make sure that unlimited numbers so that they can hire or fire anyone.
4. Immigrants are suffering by backlogs and they are expressed by IV and Lawyers. But that is not enough to justify immigration. That should be justified with real need for welfare of country
5. Before dot com bust even lot of US citizens welcomed H1b persons as there was not much layoffs. But past 7 years layoffs increased to outsource to India,China and other countries. For that they have to hire H1b and L1 persons from Countries mainly India. Those things made anti immigrants hardened their stand. US workers fear that they may lose job if US opens up immigration too much.
6. Some Indian consulting companies exploited the situation by just hiring H1bs not even trying to recruit US workers even if they available. But some Indian companies like TCS,Infosys started hiring US workers nowadays because of shortage of H1b.
H1b persons are considered as best skilled persons so Companies can afford to pay 5000 or even 10000$. Infact H1b persons should be paid 20% above US workers as they are considered as better than US workers. That is the reason for raising the fees by two thirds of Senators
Microsoft was doing effective compaign. Infact they asked resumes from programmers Guild. If many people do realistic campaign instead of opposing anti immigrants that will be easy to reform immigration
I am sure that the tech lobbyist are going to change the rules applied to the H1-B process, because everyone knows the effect of this to the econoomy. I am totally convinced that the strict H1-B rules will be removed.
I am trying to figure out or want to see how or will these tech companies force or lobby to get EB relief.
How important is EB relief for them?
1) they can't hire brains from US universities.
2) they can't hire those who they think would benefit the company but are stuck with their GC process with some other small consulting firm.
I see STEM with advance degree getting relief, the current backlog will not be benefitted a lot (eg. Real hike in EB visas, Removing the country cap). I am not being a pessimist but, I do not see a light in my path. (May be my comments are wrong)
**** Important Note****
After the State Union Speech given by the President to change the Immigration system, we saw a huge applause by all the law makers. So many individual bills in favor of Skill were introduced. Mr Gates, in front of Senate gave a detailed explaination of our problems, we saw few bills after H1-B quota ran out on the second day of the filing date added to the senate judiciary committee.
Our hopes increased after seeing so many favourable documents and media coverage, but what happened in the end.. Illegals were given a very very very easy path to citizenship after breaking the law.They get a relief which we can never imagine will ever happen to us.
Let us say we get the oppurtunity to file I-485 without PD. Increase in H1-B, Increase in EB visas. But still we have to stick to an employer, can't move up the ladder because of the same Labor description needed to be mainain I-485 if we take AC21.
I cannot digest and will never be able to digest that we are not given the oppurtunity to file our I-485 individually and work for any employer.
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rinkurazdan
05-31 10:44 AM
no news is good news until we see this beeing duiscusse don the floor of the senate...
so plese keep webfaxing, emailling, calling and contributing...
We need to keeep the momentum going.
so plese keep webfaxing, emailling, calling and contributing...
We need to keeep the momentum going.
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kumar1
03-13 04:15 PM
This is a train which sometimes move backwards. It was our decision to take a ride on it.....God bless July-07 fiasco......spouses got work permit.....
EB-3 India is going to be a looooong wait. Lots of EAD renewals, Lots of AP!
EB-3 India is going to be a looooong wait. Lots of EAD renewals, Lots of AP!
more...
pictures the oil spill leak soon,
andy garcia
09-27 02:47 PM
The numbers game is really a 6 of one, half a dozen of the other - since we can only best guess it all - as I think this healthy debate has shown!
Efficiency of processing is a HUGE problem! Why do you think the visa numbers have gone unused? Your statement perplexes me somewhat. The name check isn't the only reason that there are delays. The Ombudsman's 1st 3 annual reports documents where the inefficiencies are.
In reality, its a complex problem that is a combination of many things;Inefficiencies in processing,Retrogression, country limits etc etc
I'm sorry, you just piqued my interest. You just seemed to be saying "there is no problem"
Efficiency of processing is a HUGE problem!. This is the biggest understatement. It should be a HUMONGOUS problem.
Check these numbers from 2000 to 2003.
I am quoting from the Report from CIS:
"In recent years, including '02, the number of immigrants
granted lawful permanent residence has been affected by an application backlog at INS. At the end of FY 2002,
there were 966,000 adjustment of status cases pending a decision.
They managed to issue 174,968 EB visas, even though the limit was much more.
Now the real shock.
The maximum number of visas allowed under the preference system in 2003 was 171,532 for EB immigrants.
Surprise, they only issued 82,137.
What happened?
I will give you a hint NC
Efficiency of processing is a HUGE problem! Why do you think the visa numbers have gone unused? Your statement perplexes me somewhat. The name check isn't the only reason that there are delays. The Ombudsman's 1st 3 annual reports documents where the inefficiencies are.
In reality, its a complex problem that is a combination of many things;Inefficiencies in processing,Retrogression, country limits etc etc
I'm sorry, you just piqued my interest. You just seemed to be saying "there is no problem"
Efficiency of processing is a HUGE problem!. This is the biggest understatement. It should be a HUMONGOUS problem.
Check these numbers from 2000 to 2003.
I am quoting from the Report from CIS:
"In recent years, including '02, the number of immigrants
granted lawful permanent residence has been affected by an application backlog at INS. At the end of FY 2002,
there were 966,000 adjustment of status cases pending a decision.
They managed to issue 174,968 EB visas, even though the limit was much more.
Now the real shock.
The maximum number of visas allowed under the preference system in 2003 was 171,532 for EB immigrants.
Surprise, they only issued 82,137.
What happened?
I will give you a hint NC
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eb3India
06-08 01:30 PM
As I said my numbers are not accurate, there are lot of visas unused since retrogression, we need to take look at this and spent more time researching and contacting right organization
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nrk
05-20 11:33 AM
letters sent
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santb1975
04-26 12:42 AM
Thanks all. Let us keep this going
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kshitijnt
06-15 12:08 PM
Agree with you 100%. I have been waiting patiently all along hoping something good would happen for EB3. I am talking to my employer if they can port my case to EB2. I have a master's degree and about 13 years of experience (8 years in the current job). My only concern is if the new EB2 labor or I140 doesn't get approved for some reason, can I fall back to my current EB3 application. I don't want to jeopardize my current application just by deciding to port to EB2. Any suggestions?
If I were you, I would make it clear to the employer that you qualify for tier 1 in UK and educate them on benefits of tier 1 vs waiting for green card then go from there. It worked for me.
If I were you, I would make it clear to the employer that you qualify for tier 1 in UK and educate them on benefits of tier 1 vs waiting for green card then go from there. It worked for me.
GCcomesoon
07-24 09:39 AM
Hi
I would higly recommend RK's office , they are very approachable & generally respond on the same day.Not only the paralegals but even the actual attorneys will respond back the same day.I have had good experience with many( Rita, Pramitha, Mathew C, Bharathi ) from thier office
Thanks
GCcomesoon
I would higly recommend RK's office , they are very approachable & generally respond on the same day.Not only the paralegals but even the actual attorneys will respond back the same day.I have had good experience with many( Rita, Pramitha, Mathew C, Bharathi ) from thier office
Thanks
GCcomesoon
needhelp!
02-12 04:09 PM
This is essentially what we got in July07, and this can be a great pain relief. Since it was done in July07, there is already a precedent for it?? Would it be an administrative fix then? Just a note , IV already has this as one of the things we are working to change in law, but I was wondering if it could be admin only fix.
I initially posted below text to reply another thread, but the title is not much relavant. So I decided to create a new thread here:
As a background, the pre-application of AOS (file 485 without PD being current) is mentioned in a DHS newsletter here (credit goes to kate123 for finding it).
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1233353528835.shtm
Here is the text:
Legal Immigration Benefit Backlogs. What progress has been made in reducing the significant backlogs that had developed in the adjudication of naturalization petitions and adjustment of status (green card) applications? Which regional offices still lag behind in making progress toward target processing times, and what specific steps are recommended for providing priority resources to those offices?
Please provide an assessment of information-sharing with the Department of State’s Bureau of Consular Affairs on projected adjustment caseloads, to be used by that Bureau in setting each month’s cutoff dates on waiting lists for immigration categories that are limited by a yearly quota. What steps have been taken and what further steps are recommended to make sure that the full quota of permanent immigration spaces is used each fiscal year? What regulatory or legislative changes (including a possible pre-application filing procedure for adjustment cases) are recommended to facilitate caseload planning and make optimum use of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services adjudication capacity?
This is a great finding I've read that page, but never noticed the Secretary of DHS specifically mentioned Pre-Application of AOS. Now that they do have this in their mind, can we start working on that? I'd love to share a few thoughts I have on it:
From the lessons we learnt from the past, the most important thing for this admin fix to fly is compromise: there must be kind of restriction for the pre-application AOS. A few examples I could think of are:
- The person has been in the country LEGALLY for more than a number of years, OR
- The PD are more than a certain number years old, OR
- I-140 has been approved, OR
- Must have MS or higher for a US college (just for argument's sake, please don't flame me).
The key is to not allow everyone to file pre-application or it'll be drown in a media storm and draw backfires. Yet it gives you a certain promise that you'll be able to file pre-application once you are here for a certain period of time, so everyone has hope and those who has suffered more would have an almost certain chance to do so.
IV core, should we work on this? This is the first time we see pre-application of AOS appears in official file and I believe it's a great opportunity.
I initially posted below text to reply another thread, but the title is not much relavant. So I decided to create a new thread here:
As a background, the pre-application of AOS (file 485 without PD being current) is mentioned in a DHS newsletter here (credit goes to kate123 for finding it).
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1233353528835.shtm
Here is the text:
Legal Immigration Benefit Backlogs. What progress has been made in reducing the significant backlogs that had developed in the adjudication of naturalization petitions and adjustment of status (green card) applications? Which regional offices still lag behind in making progress toward target processing times, and what specific steps are recommended for providing priority resources to those offices?
Please provide an assessment of information-sharing with the Department of State’s Bureau of Consular Affairs on projected adjustment caseloads, to be used by that Bureau in setting each month’s cutoff dates on waiting lists for immigration categories that are limited by a yearly quota. What steps have been taken and what further steps are recommended to make sure that the full quota of permanent immigration spaces is used each fiscal year? What regulatory or legislative changes (including a possible pre-application filing procedure for adjustment cases) are recommended to facilitate caseload planning and make optimum use of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services adjudication capacity?
This is a great finding I've read that page, but never noticed the Secretary of DHS specifically mentioned Pre-Application of AOS. Now that they do have this in their mind, can we start working on that? I'd love to share a few thoughts I have on it:
From the lessons we learnt from the past, the most important thing for this admin fix to fly is compromise: there must be kind of restriction for the pre-application AOS. A few examples I could think of are:
- The person has been in the country LEGALLY for more than a number of years, OR
- The PD are more than a certain number years old, OR
- I-140 has been approved, OR
- Must have MS or higher for a US college (just for argument's sake, please don't flame me).
The key is to not allow everyone to file pre-application or it'll be drown in a media storm and draw backfires. Yet it gives you a certain promise that you'll be able to file pre-application once you are here for a certain period of time, so everyone has hope and those who has suffered more would have an almost certain chance to do so.
IV core, should we work on this? This is the first time we see pre-application of AOS appears in official file and I believe it's a great opportunity.
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